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[woman narrating] For centuries, Tibet was an isolated land,

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high in the Himalayas,

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almost untouched by the outside world--

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until 1949--

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when the Communist Chinese forcibly entered

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and claimed sovereignty over it.

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After near annihilation over the next ten years

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against an army of supreme strength,

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the Tibetan people, high lamas and spiritual leaders

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fled to the surrounding countries.

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Over the coming decades, 1.2 million Tibetans died

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as a result of Communist Chinese policies,

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and many more were imprisoned or put into labor camps.

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The Tibetan Buddhist religion,

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which had been protected in the mountains for almost 1,000 years,

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was threatened with extinction.

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Some lamas thought that once the Communist Chinese left,

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they would be able to return to their country.

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Others thought that Buddhism would return to India

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where it had started 2,500 years earlier.

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Few had considered the possibility

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that Buddhism would instead spread throughout the world

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or how it would be carried there.

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[woman] I used to have a lot of questions in my mind.

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I mean, since I was quite young,

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I would wonder about--
[laughs]

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you know, the existence and many things.

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And I never really got any proper answers.

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I came from an academic family,

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and, there, religion doesn't play a big role.

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Humanistic values are a natural thing.

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I couldn't believe that either you believed in God

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or you would be doomed forever

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and that everybody who did not follow God,

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wherever they were in the world, that they were lost.

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Denmark is a Christian country, but not very religious.

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Whatever Christianity was there

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was definitely not giving the answers I was looking for.

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I was looking for the truth.

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Hannah was born in '46,
right after the war.

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And at that time, we lived
in-- [indistinct] in Denmark.

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[man] She was very intelligent,
indeed, in university,

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in the top of the class.

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My father was
a very logical person.

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You can say
he was a rationalist.

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It was not the feelings,

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it was the thoughts, for him,
was the most important.

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If he has influenced Hannah,
it must have been in this way.

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[woman] As Hannah grew elder,

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my parents were
much more strict about her.

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She would like to go out
with friends

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and go to dance club
and so,

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and I had to fight
a little for her

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so that she was
allowed to go.

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When I left for the States,
Hannah had a boyfriend.

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I think his name
was Hensing, like--

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And when I came home,

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she had a new boyfriend,
and that was Ole.

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[laughs]

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He had this thing about him,
like, not dangerous,

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but "don't mess with me"
thing.

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He was a good drinker
and a good smoker.

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[Thomas] He was a wild guy,
you know,

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who liked to pick a fight.

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He'd make himself
quite clear, at once--

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[laughing]

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to those who are not so much
in touch of his personality.

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Must have been '65 or '66
while I was studying.

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I was sitting there,
checking out the new ladies,

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when suddenly she came in.

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[woman] That was after
I finished high school.

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And I started on university,

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and we had a meeting
at university.

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And also there, you know,

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we both had
very strong reaction.

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She was a little disturbed
by my brother and me

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because we were quite rough.

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[Hannah] His wildness
was more boyish,

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but it was pretty violent
at the time, yeah?

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So it took a few years
before we decided

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to really stay together.

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[Ole] You know, Hannah was
a part of '68 generation.

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She was 22 in '68.

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[acid rock playing]

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[Hannah] It was a time when
gurus started to manifest,

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even in Denmark,
Hindu gurus.

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A lot of our friends,

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they became disciples
of these gurus.

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We were not so interested.

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We didn't go
the religious way,

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but we went more into
the psychedelic experiences

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because we were interested
in the mind.

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I was reading
Aldous Huxley who,
of course, also said

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that psychedelics
were useful, and so on,

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and we didn't know
about karma at that time.

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So we thought that mind would
really be freed by that.

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That was our idea.
That's what we wanted to reach.

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[man] There was this phase where
you're allowed just to be

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and when people
were using drugs.

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Because it was approached
with an open mind

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and looking for something.

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It was not an escape.

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It's a big difference
from then till today,

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where a lot of people
take drugs as an escape.

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Here, it was deliberately
looking for something
that was better.

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We wanted
to learn something.

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We wanted to seriously
learn about mind.

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[Hannah] The first Buddhist--
I think, Buddhist teachings
that I ever read,

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Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines,

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put everything there.

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It just fit, you know,
and it really gave
so many answers

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to the things I had really
been wondering about, yeah?

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That's where everything--
the connection to Tibet
and everything

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just clicked, clicked,
clicked in like that.

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[Hannah] When you were
interested in the mind,

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that's where you would go,
to Nepal.

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[jet engines roaring]

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[Ole] We went out together
to the East.

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We drove out,

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driving all the way down.
[sharp exhale]

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Crazy Turkey, you know,
funny Iran.

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Cool Afghanistan.

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Cool place, cool people.
Really.

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And from there to India.

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When you come out
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you can see miles
and miles and miles.

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And it's one of the most
fantastic scenic views
you can imagine.

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[Kate] Kathmandu was a very,
very special atmosphere.

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At that time,
there was so few foreigners.

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We were looking
for the truth--
[laughs] in Nepal.

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Kathmandu itself was not--
at that time--
not so full with Tibetans.

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[man] The eastern Tibetans
were in exile

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as a consequence of
the disastrous economic policies

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of Communist China after '59,

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a disastrous upheaval
of the Cultural Revolution.

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It was a complete destruction
of their country.

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One and a half million Tibetans,
out of six million, died.

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Only a hundred thousand
managed to escape.

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They lost everything.

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Their country was destroyed,

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their monasteries,
everything.

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They were poor refugees
in a poor country,

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sitting all
on top of a hill.

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And the only thing, actually,
they had were their lamas.

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[monks chanting]

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Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche,

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the lama they met
for the first time in 1968

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when they came to Kathmandu,

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the lama actually
who kept Buddhism alive.

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Nepal was a kingdom,
was in an Indian dynasty.

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They were Hindus.
They were not Buddhists.

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And it was due
to the incredible
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and wise influence
of Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche
with the king of Nepal--

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with the old king of Nepal--

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that actually this Tibetan
Buddhist activity

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was allowed
to take root in Nepal.

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[Ole] We came to him
in the middle of the night.

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He had half of one
of these long clay houses.

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[Hannah] Then we saw
this man sitting there,

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and we felt immediately--

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We didn't know what it was.

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Today we would say
blessing, yeah?

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But we didn't know,
and we were put in front of him.

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There was some
very interesting wallpaper

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while we were sitting there.

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Then I noticed something.

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I began to see the pattern
on the wallpaper through him.

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I thought, "That's funny."
I thought, you know,

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"I don't want hypnotism."

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I just thought we're not
going to have that.

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So I took out
a Danish matchbox.

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I thought,
if this is hypnotism,

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this will also
be transparent,
just like him.

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But the box was solid,
and he was transparent.

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Then I was really
impressed, right?

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We didn't know
what was happening,
but we just felt--

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We just felt
a really unusual,

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clear and very wonderful
feeling in the air.

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He left such a strong
impression in our mind

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that he came to our mind
all the time.

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And actually we could feel

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that he was kind of
connected to us already,

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and even without
knowing who he was.

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We really wanted to get
more understanding

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of what all this was,
these incredible beings.

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[Ole] It was clear
that a lot of the people here

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had found some inner truth,
some inner peace,

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some inner power that we would
have to work to get.

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[Hannah] We had to go
and find this man again.

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Every time we went there,
they told us,

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"Well, sorry, he's not home.
He's with Karmapa."

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And that went on for days,
and finally it's, "Okay.

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Where is Karmapa?
Who is Karmapa?

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Where is he?" In order
to find Lopon Tsechu.

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And then they told us,
"Okay, you go to Swayambhu,

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and then
Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche
will be there."

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So we went to Swayambhu,
and we were climbing--

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We could see there was
a lot of things going on.

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[Ole] It was two days
before Christmas,
and it was very low sun.

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We looked up,
and we were like blinded.

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[Hannah] That was our first
impression of the Karmapa.

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We were totally fascinated,
and he was looking to us.

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So we went up
and came close to him,

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and he blessed us
for the first time.

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[Ole] We just said,
"What is this?"
We were totally blown away.

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[Hannah] The comparison
would be like LSD.

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But we were not
on anything.

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I had kind of
a glimpse of the mind.

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It just changed something
completely.

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[monks chanting]

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[narrator] 2,500 years ago,

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an Indian prince named Siddhartha

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realized the true nature of mind

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and became the Buddha,

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meaning "the enlightened one."

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The teachings spread and, in the eighth century, came to Tibet.

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Part philosophy, part religion,

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Buddhism is seen as a tool by which practitioners

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can experience the innate limitless qualities of the mind.

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The Buddha taught that a great lama will be born 1,600 years later

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and would live in many successive reincarnations.

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He would be called Karmapa.

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Karmapa was the first lama to consciously reincarnate,

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beginning what became a long Tibetan tradition.

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He was the head of one of the four main schools of Tibetan Buddhism--

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the Kagyupas.

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[Tomek] Oh, Karmapa was
"the man" in the Himalayas.

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He was the teacher of kings.

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He was a friend
of prime ministers,

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of Indira Gandhi--
a personal friend.

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He was the sun
for the Tibetans.

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[children singing]

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[Hannah] He was just amazing.

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He was so kind to us.

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We went to him, and
Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche was there.

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And we were so happy
to meet him again.

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Twenty years later,

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Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche told us
what happened there.

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When we had gone
out of the room,

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Karmapa asked him
who we were.

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And he'd called us
his disciples already.

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And then Karmapa said, "Okay,

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but now, like,
they are my disciples."

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[audience laughing]

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And he invited us
to come to Rumtek.

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[horns blowing]

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[Tomek] Rumtek was chosen
as Karmapa's seat
by Karmapa himself

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outside Tibet
in an autonomous region,

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actually independent--

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independent entity
at that time, which was Sikkim.

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When the Karmapa
came back to Rumtek,

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I mean,
just general discussion,

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he always says
that there is one couple,

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very special,
coming from Denmark.

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He mentions several times,

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and we all wondering
what kind of person

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and when they will come.

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[crow cawing]

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It was summertime.
Then Ole and Hannah
came with a rucksack.

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And they came there by walking,

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and they told us that they were
led by a black crow

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and that they followed
the black crow,

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and then they landed up
to Rumtek up in the mountain.

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[woman's voice] "Dear Mom and Dad, the biggest thing has happened.

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Karmapa has sent us a written invitation to Rumtek

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to come and get his instructions there.

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We feel an amazing happiness to be so totally accepted

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as students of the greatest man in the world.

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At the moment, it's totally impossible to say how long we will stay there.

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What we're doing now is only possible

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because we're 100% into it, both of us.

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Much love, Hannah and Ole."

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[Hannah] We had been waiting
for this moment so long, yeah.

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Finally, we saw him again.

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We really wanted to get
more understanding

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of what all this was,
these incredible beings, yeah?

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First Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche
and then Karmapa,

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and they were so amazing

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and we could feel
there was something there.

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So we wanted to learn
to know what was behind that.

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First, we followed
Karmapa everywhere.

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And we were running
up and down the mountains.

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He was coming in helicopters,

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and we were there
before the helicopter.

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And, like, it was-- It became
a kind of joke I think for them

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that we were always there.

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[Jigme Rinpoche] They are
always following everywhere.

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So means more
like kind of a family

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or familiar
kind of relationship.

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The Karmapa considered them
almost like his own children.

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[Hannah] Ole and him
was always joking a lot.

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Even at the physical,
they were kind of--

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Like squeezing his hand,

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and he was clapping
the shoulders,

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which normally you don't do
with Karmapa.

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But we didn't know that.

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And he didn't seem to mind.

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He was just laughing a lot.

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[Shamar] In the beginning time,
hippies are very strange.

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And then later,
people get used to it.

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[woman's voice] "Dearest Mom and Dad, the days are passing by,

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and the most incredible things are happening,

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which are difficult to describe in words.

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On the 15th--

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on the day of the full moon-- we took refuge,

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and we are now fully accepted as Karmapa's disciples."

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[Hannah] We had just totally
surrendered to Karmapa there.

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[Ole] Something happened there
that had special meaning,

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you know, that wouldn't go away.

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He gave us names.

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I got Ocean of Wisdom,

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and Hannah got
Mighty Holy Lotus.

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[woman's voice] "If you came here, you would immediately

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be struck by the love which radiates from these people,

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so modest and so calm in their expression."

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In the morning
when they go there,

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Karmapa would let them
sit on the floor.

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Then he translate
whatever question they had.

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His Holiness Karmapa
gave the answer to them
and guided them.

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[Hannah] The more we got
into the practice,

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the deeper our bond
to Karmapa was.

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He all the time--
He would check our confidence.

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He would drop us in the water,

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and then you would
have to learn to swim.

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[narrator] After several months, Karmapa entrusted Hannah and Ole

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to the great Tibetan teacher Kalu Rinpoche

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to deepen their Buddhist practice.

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[woman's voice] "In one part of Kalu Rinpoche's monastery,

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he is training 15tulkus and monks intensively.

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For three years, three months and three days,

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they have to stay there without seeing or talking to anybody else

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except their guru.

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It's very powerful.

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Some die from the diseases which come earlier than normal

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because of the strong karmic purification.

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Some flip out, as it is called in modern language.

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And some come out as Rinpoches."

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[Hannah] They were not many
who spoke English.

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The only thing we knew was--

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I knew the alphabet,
so I could use dictionary.

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Together with the dictionary,
we learned the meaning,

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and we had it checked
with Kalu Rinpoche.

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And so I started then to really
learn the oral language

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and to translate.

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[woman's voice] "We start our day at half past five.

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We're going through the preliminary school,

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which is needed to be able to work with the advanced meditation practices.

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And it seems to be effective enough, indeed.

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We're thinking much about you

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and try to have you in everything we do

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and hope that you can feel it.

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[person breathing deeply,
slowly]

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We're now making 1,000 prostrations per day

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in three concentrated hours.

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And besides that, we are busy learning the Tibetan language

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and meditating.

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The deeper we go into it,

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the more we understand how great the science of mind is."

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[man's voice] "Dearest, a couple of words to praise Hannah

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before this is sent.

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It is completely unbelievable, what she's been managing

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and is managing every day.

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Simply, completely incredible

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what the dharma and her willpower can get out.

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Lithe and happy and completely sure of herself

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and her love for everything living, she dances along,

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radiating in all directions."

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[Hannah] For us, it was, like,
okay, now we have met Karmapa.

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Now we're in Sikkim.

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Now we will stay here forever.

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One day,
he called us up and said,
"Okay, now you go home."

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Home?

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Where's home?
[laughs]

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He said, "There will be
some other people there

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who also like to hear about what
you have been learning here."

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Then Karmapa said,
"I want you to do this work.

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Start Buddhism in the West."

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[narrator] As Hannah and Ole returned to Denmark,

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they were unaware of the enormity of the task that lay before them.

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[Ole] A lot of my young friends
from the early '60s

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started getting into situations
I would not go.

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They were not taking care
of their bodies, you know.

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They were shifting
from hash and LSD.

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Some are getting into opium,
the opiates,

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some in amphetamine,
stuff like that.

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It wasn't so good.

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[Kate] In my eyes,
Hannah, she was different,

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but not like with Ole.

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He don't smoke, he don't drink,

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so he got much more...

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He still has his energy,
but it was in another way.

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People could see
that there was some stability,

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that we'd found something
that gave meaning to everything.

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And, actually, the people
on bad trips and so on,

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they used to come to us.

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We would just
fix them up mentally
and let them go again.

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We had a big
mind-fixing industry
going at the same time,

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so we helped a lot.

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A lot of people
who got hurt on drugs,
we were able to help.

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[Lizbet] I could feel,
when I was with Hannah,

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that she really
had found something

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she wanted to live for.

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And she was very determined
to live this way.

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[man] They were feeling
their way at that time.

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It was more,
"Come and sit down

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and let's talk about
different aspects of Buddhism."

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[narrator] Hannah and Ole knew it was important for new practitioners

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to meet the Tibetan lamas face-to-face.

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Two years after their return,

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Karmapa sent their first teacher to Europe,

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the Great Kalu Rinpoche.

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[Flemming] He was
a very special man.

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When he was looking at you,
you know,

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you felt his gaze
go all the way through.

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He was not of this world.

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Hannah took me to him,
and I could feel
the power around him.

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And I could certainly feel
that Hannah was very happy

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around what was
happening to her.

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[Hannah] When we invited
the lamas to come to Europe,

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I happened
to start to translate.

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And then you had to learn more
to be able to translate,

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so it was a sort of
natural process.

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At that time, you know,
very little was translated,

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and very few of the teachers
spoke any English.

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So we just had to learn it.

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[Ole] We had to get
all the meaning
of the Tibetan practices.

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We needed to be precise.

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And it took quite a while.

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[Hannah] It was '74 when
Karmapa came the first time.

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[people chattering]

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[Flemming] At that time,
Ole and Hannah
had been going on

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at least for a couple
of years in Copenhagen.

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And I guess
there must have been

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maybe 50, 60 people
already following them
at that time.

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And what Karmapa said
was that we needed

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to spread Buddhism
much more.

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00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,560
[Ole] It was an explosion
of activity.

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00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680
All the time,
it was coming out of him.

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We started centers in Norway,
Sweden,

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down through Germany--
Munich, Hamburg--

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and Graz and Vienna
and so on.

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Everybody saw that Karmapa was
the power of Tibetan Buddhism.

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He was the man. He was...

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[narrator] As Karmapa traveled throughout Europe,

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he would perform a spiritual ritual called the Black Crown Ceremony.

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00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,120
According to tradition,

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the ceremony would further the spiritual development of those who took part.

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I've seen him in some
Black Crown Ceremonies

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where he did-- not dissolve.

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I could see him,
but it was like

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the colors of him
and the surrounding
was the same,

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flowing in and out
of it.

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I don't know what happened,
if they put something
in the air.

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But I don't think so.
I think it comes
from somewhere else.

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[Ole] With the Black Crown,
he opened up people's minds.

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People really changed
when they saw it.

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[horns blowing]

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[man] At that moment
that the crown actually
sat on his head,

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one had a feeling
that time was suspended,

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that it was an eternity of now.

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00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,080
You couldn't bend. You had
to sit straight like this.

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And you couldn't move this way.
You couldn't move that way.

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[Bryan] The mind normally
wanders to somewhere else.

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During that moment,
it never would happen.

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You would be so there.

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[Hannah] Many people were
a little afraid of Karmapa

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because he was so powerful.

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If he was laughing,
the whole house was laughing.

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00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,160
And if he was frowning,
the world was going down.

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00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,880
It was like so powerful.

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[woman] The compassion
of His Holiness was limitless.

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He would bless people
till 3:00 and 4:00
in the morning.

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He never tired of questions
or of seeing people.

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[Hannah] He would melt
everybody's heart, of course.

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00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,280
And people,
if they were Buddhist or not,

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everybody would get
their blessing.

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[woman] Often after teachings
with the Karmapa,

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00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,320
Hannah would gather up
the new people

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00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,760
and say, "Did you
get the teaching?"

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00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,320
You know? And they'd say,
"Oh, we have a few questions."

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00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,280
And Hannah would
answer the questions,

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00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,600
and then they would have
a little session

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00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,080
where she would teach meditation
to the new students.

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00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,800
Karmapa would just be one big
smile when Hannah was around.

487
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,600
It was an amazing
relationship.

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00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,520
They were so close, yeah.

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[Hannah] One time, in England,
Karmapa gave us a note.

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A money note.

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00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
And he kind of did tell us,

492
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,000
"If you completely
keep the motivation pure

493
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960
and no self-interest,

494
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,680
then you will never
lack anything.

495
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,320
If you always have
the right motivation,

496
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,320
if you keep your bond,

497
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840
then you can't go wrong.

498
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Then whatever happens
will have meaning,
will be right."

499
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Around that time, they decided
not to have children,

500
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,280
because they wanted to put
their whole life in Buddhism.

501
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,720
[Hannah] We were quite young
when we started.

502
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,160
So at that time, we didn't think
of we would have children
or not children.

503
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,920
But once the work started--

504
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,720
which means not to really
stay at one place

505
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,120
and had to be available
at any time,

506
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360
then you have to think how
you want to use your life.

507
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,680
And what we were doing
at that time,

508
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,440
you know, was more important.

509
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,720
And we both agreed to make
the choice of not making family.

510
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440
[Ole] In '76,
we said to Karmapa,

511
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,360
we're going
to the Communist countries now.

512
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960
We're going to see
what we can do there.

513
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,240
He wanted to know where it was,
and we first had a small map
of Poland and so on.

514
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440
And then he said,
"But what's over there?"

515
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Then somebody had a world map,
and we rolled it out
all the way,

516
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440
up to the Ural Mountains
via the Baikal Lake

517
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120
on to Vostok, you know,
and Japan.

518
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,840
He said, "All Communist?"
I said, "Yes."

519
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,560
"So you make centers
all the way to there,"
he said, and pointed.

520
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,560
[gunfire]

521
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,600
[people shouting]

522
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:16,000
[Tomek] In Poland,
people always rebelled
against this Communism,

523
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,240
which was imposed on us from
the East after World War II.

524
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,560
The country became a jail.
All freedom--

525
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,320
No electricity,
no light,

526
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,760
no telephone,
no freedom of travel.

527
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,560
More than three people
on the streets,
you could be arrested.

528
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,240
And all of a sudden,

529
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,000
in that completely hopeless
and helpless situation,

530
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,560
Hannah and Ole arrived.

531
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,560
[woman] Poland was always
a very Christian country.

532
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,480
And in deep Communism time,

533
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,360
church was not only
the spiritual offer

534
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,200
but was also like a sign
of Communist resistance.

535
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,960
[Tomek] They wanted
the young people--

536
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040
were especially afraid--

537
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,160
to get interested
in Eastern religions
or philosophies

538
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960
because that would
weaken the power
of the Catholic Church.

539
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
It was a strategy,
and that's why
they gave them the visa.

540
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Ole and Hannah brought this very
fresh atmosphere of freedom,

541
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,320
which was, at that time,
probably quite typical
for Western Europe,

542
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,000
but it wasn't very typical
for Poland

543
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,920
or other countries
behind the Iron Curtain.

544
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640
[Mira] For me, it was
a proof that it's possible

545
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,560
to find ultimate freedom

546
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,440
not dependent on our, let's say,
poor condition at that time.

547
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,640
[Tomek] First time,
my friends went there.
I didn't go for that lecture.

548
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,600
When they came back--
They came back, my sister
and other friends.

549
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,480
They came back so changed.

550
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,440
When he came
for the second time--
[indistinct]

551
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,040
My sister and I,
we organized
his lecture already.

552
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,040
I was already
translating for him.

553
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320
So these two gentlemen
appeared to Maggie and I
the day before

554
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,480
and said, "If this lama...

555
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,520
says something political,
or something will happen,

556
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,280
both you and your mother
will be arrested immediately

557
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280
and you will not live."

558
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,000
And so, we are going
that lecture,

559
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560
surrounded by riot troops--
a Buddhist lecture.

560
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Hundreds of riot troops.
They even brought
water cannons, right?

561
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,160
And there were hundreds
of people,

562
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,120
I was translating
next to him.

563
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,920
We're sitting
on a table there.

564
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960
The secret police was
right in the first row.

565
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,720
They had it painted
on their faces.

566
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,400
And he started,
"You are very lucky
here in Poland."

567
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,200
And I translated and thought,
okay, so far, so good.

568
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,160
And then he said,
"Because obviously
nothing works in this country."

569
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480
And I knew
we are skating on thin ice.

570
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,480
Because obviously nothing
works in this country.

571
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,600
And there he got immediately
an ovation from the people,
right?

572
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,240
And then the policemen
who were there,

573
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,480
one run out, one to get pen.

574
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560
And it was clear.
He says one more word,

575
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280
and it's the end
of Buddhism in Poland
for the next ten years,

576
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,360
and we will-- arrested.

577
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240
And then he said,

578
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,960
"Because you don't have
the distraction

579
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,520
and the Disneyland
on the outside

580
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,720
that we have in the West,"
meaning West Europe.

581
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,480
"Having nothing on the outside,
you will naturally turn inside.

582
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Turning inside, you'll look
for permanent values.

583
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Looking
for permanent values,

584
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800
you'll achieve
permanent results.

585
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,240
Congratulations."

586
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960
And, you know, he said it
so convincingly--

587
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,840
because he talked
from experience as well--
that he melted everybody.

588
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680
And the secret policemen
even took their pens and--

589
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,320
and nodded
in full agreement.

590
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,240
[crowd jeering]

591
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,120
[Hannah] Once you focus
more on the genuine values

592
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680
of your mind itself,

593
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760
instead of trying to get
everything from outside--

594
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,800
instead of trying
to make you happy
through outer circumstances--

595
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,320
then you slowly realize
that everything you have,
it is in your mind.

596
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,600
That is-- It means
in the life, yeah?

597
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
[Tomek] What Hannah and Ole
managed was to transform

598
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040
this incredible desire
for freedom--

599
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
the same energy,
that same raw energy--

600
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,080
everything that we felt
against the Communist Party,

601
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640
against that police that
pushed me the other night,

602
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
against the riot police
who beat me up,

603
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,560
who beat my friends up--

604
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,040
into a desire to achieve
enlightenment

605
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,760
for the benefit
of all beings.

606
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,240
[Hannah] No matter
what you are up against

607
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,720
and how people treat you
and how bad everything is,

608
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:40,440
we need not to get carried away
by negative reactions.

609
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,240
Then that you keep your level,
you don't follow that.

610
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,440
And even if you have
to do some actions
which might look rough,

611
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,280
then you don't get angry.

612
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120
You never get angry.

613
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Buddhism was like a beginning
of a big journey for us,

614
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,720
and it came, I think,
exactly at the right point.

615
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Because there was this openness.

616
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,360
Several pilgrimages
were organized.

617
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,600
The one I took part
was in 1981 in autumn

618
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,000
together with around
a hundred friends

619
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,720
from different parts
of the world,
with Hannah and Ole.

620
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,600
We started from Copenhagen,
took three months' tour

621
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,600
to India, Nepal,
Sikkim and so on.

622
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,080
And some morning
when we're sitting there,

623
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,160
listening to a talk
of some lama,

624
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,080
suddenly another lama came in,
gave the one a piece of paper.

625
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120
And he opened it
and closed it again

626
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,720
and jumped from the throne.

627
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,240
And so something serious
must have happened.

628
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
And soon after
came the message

629
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,200
that Karmapa had died
in the hospital
in the United States.

630
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,040
[Hannah] We had the last meeting
with him in Boulder.

631
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,360
When we said good-bye to him,
suddenly I started to cry.

632
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
I didn't know why.
There was no reason.

633
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680
After we had gone,
he called us back.

634
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:30,560
And again he said more,
and it was in a different way.

635
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Looking back, it was so clear
it was last time,

636
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,280
but, all right, you don't really
always want to know that.

637
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,760
But he knew exactly
that it was the last time.

638
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,080
He told us all to come where
he then knew he would die.

639
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,200
[Ole] He died on the fifth,
flown in on the ninth,

640
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,960
and then put
in meditation posture.

641
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,440
Day and night,
you could hear the drums

642
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,320
and the flute and the songs.

643
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,880
And they made all kind of
what they call offerings.

644
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,280
Of course, you could always
see sadness in many faces.

645
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
[Hannah] In the middle
of all the sadness,

646
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,280
there was this enormous blessing

647
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
where you could
feel his presence

648
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,400
and which was
just beyond everything.

649
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360
[Ole] Because Hannah and I were
his first Western students,

650
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,280
we were allowed up there
to say good-bye to him.

651
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,000
The only thing
I could think about

652
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,800
was to put the top of my head
against his thigh

653
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,040
and just thank him so much
for all our friends
he had helped,

654
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,840
for everything
he had put into the world,

655
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,640
for just being the way he was.

656
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,840
[narrator] Buddha taught that all living beings reincarnate when they die.

657
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,040
When a Karmapa dies, the belief is that he consciously reincarnates

658
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600
to retake his position as the head of the lineage.

659
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,720
Immediately,
right after the ceremony,

660
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,720
the issue was, what about
the next incarnation?

661
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680
So four of his closest
disciples were chosen

662
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,480
as those responsible to find
his next incarnation,

663
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,760
which became the issue for
the Karma Kagyu lineage.

664
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
From that day one.

665
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:24,280
And, you know, already
at the cremation--
at that moment--

666
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,640
a certain split
already manifested.

667
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Nobody wanted to see it,
but this was--

668
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
It-- It spelled trouble
for the future.

669
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:41,440
[Hannah] After the 16th Karmapa
passed away,

670
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,080
we tried not to think too much

671
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,160
of when does
this 17th Karmapa come,

672
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,400
what will it be like.

673
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,640
We actually had
a lot of confidence

674
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,960
that it would be right
whatever would happen

675
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,160
and that our job
was just to continue
to follow his instructions

676
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,960
and to stick to that.

677
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600
They had their time
with Karmapa,

678
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,080
but there was such a big
activity waiting for them
after his death.

679
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,280
[Erik] They knew
they would have to take
much more responsibility

680
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,840
how to get the work growing.

681
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,600
This was their task.

682
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,560
[woman] It was really
like explosion.

683
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,960
And at that time, we didn't
make public advertising.

684
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,480
It's just the people
that came by themselves.

685
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,320
Friends through friends
through friends,

686
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,800
and they heard
from their friends.

687
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,240
It started to...
expand all over Europe.

688
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,160
We have people
from United States.

689
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
We have people from UK,
from France,

690
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,200
from Australia
and New Zealand even.

691
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,080
And it was a happy time.

692
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,040
[Erik] We were all young.
We were not working regularly.

693
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,840
People who got to universities,

694
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,960
or they had a lot of breaks.

695
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,840
And this was the time
for great travelings.

696
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,920
We were all freaks.
[laughs]

697
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,840
We were all hippies, or sort of.
Late hippies.

698
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,280
[Ole] The ones with the energy
to break out of the mold

699
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,760
and create something new,

700
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,680
they're always
the same kind of people--

701
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,000
the artistic types,
rough types,

702
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200
the dreamers, the poets,

703
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,920
warriors, you know,
all kinds.

704
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,040
[Karola] During the lectures,
Hannah will be the translator.

705
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,720
But many occasions,
Hannah simply couldn't
go on speaking

706
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,360
because she was touched herself
so much that actually--

707
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,240
She had tears in her eyes,
and what she usually did--

708
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Because she had long hair,
that she was just

709
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:53,160
taking her head down
so the hair was
covering her face.

710
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Sometimes she would
sit like this
for five minutes

711
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,360
because she simply
couldn't talk anymore.

712
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,080
And then, at a certain point,
she came up

713
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,200
like really totally
spaced out, and then--

714
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,400
Okay, the lama said this
and this and this.

715
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,280
To me, hearing the stillness
behind the voice--

716
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
I don't know if that's
a bit strange to say,

717
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,280
but-- [chuckles] to me,
Hannah seemed to be

718
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,240
not completely
in the same place as all us.

719
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,480
And I think that you can
hear this in her voice.

720
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,200
[Hannah] The potential
of the mind is limitless.

721
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,960
But as long as you are
attached to your own ego,

722
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,640
you limit it down, so to speak.

723
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Then you only experience
your own subjective words.

724
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,520
We make our own limitations.

725
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,040
[narrator] In the 15 years since they returned to Europe,

726
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Hannah and Ole had set up over 100 centers

727
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,040
all across the Continent.

728
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
But far from seeing their work as done,

729
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,640
they decided to spread Buddhism further and further afield.

730
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,080
[woman] They just
were so interested
in meeting with the people

731
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,760
and taking part
in their well being

732
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,160
and taking part in their lives

733
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,920
and giving them the methods
and the information

734
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,280
which would help them
to really get free.

735
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,720
[woman 2] To travel nonstop,
tour, not sleep,

736
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,880
to give everything
to everybody.

737
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Not having a private life.

738
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,120
If you don't have
a special mind,

739
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,480
a developed mind,

740
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,880
you will not be able
to stand that.

741
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,040
And Hannah was definitely
on top of that, yeah?

742
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,880
She was living Buddhism.

743
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,960
[wind howling]

744
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
[Ole] We always wanted
to see Tibet.

745
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,480
We had spent nearly four years
in the Himalayas.

746
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,400
I mean, we had done
a lot of things there.

747
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,800
[monks chanting]

748
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Just at the ending of the '80s,

749
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,600
there was this break-up in China

750
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,840
where the old system
didn't hold anymore,

751
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,000
and we managed
to get in at that time.

752
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,360
There was so much to see--

753
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,120
all the destroyed monasteries
everywhere along the way.

754
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,000
We saw that, and you say,
why did they do that?

755
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,880
Tibetans had been--

756
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,480
There had been
quite a lot of trouble.

757
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,320
The Chinese
had been beating them up,
shooting a few and so on.

758
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,120
There were
several demonstrations

759
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
at that Tibetan new year
at that time.

760
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,600
You was allowed only to come
by flight to Lhasa

761
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,320
and fly back from Lhasa.

762
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,240
But in the night, Hannah
managed to contact somebody.

763
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,440
So we jump in-- in some truck

764
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,000
who make black market
from India to Tibet.

765
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,000
And this night,
it was so cold, so cold.

766
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,400
We need to go through one pass
6,000 meter high.

767
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,120
It was so cold
I think I will lose my feet.

768
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,160
[Ole] I'm telling you,
this is cold.

769
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,400
-[woman coughing]
-This is evilly, really cold.

770
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,000
We're going over a pass
that's close to 18,000 feet.

771
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,200
It's in the depth of winter,
and it's cold.

772
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,400
[engine rumbling]

773
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Hannah was tough as always.

774
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,280
I put a lot
of my clothes on her,

775
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,880
and the others did the same.

776
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,080
In one of the trucks
in front of us,

777
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
four people died
crossing the pass,
just from cold.

778
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,320
But I tell you, Hannah,
not even this night,

779
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,160
not even in the top
of the mountain, say nothing.

780
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,560
She no complain.

781
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,760
And the other big guys,
they start to say good-bye.

782
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,400
[Hannah]
When you are-- [indistinct]

783
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,360
you learn not to be dependent
on outer circumstances.

784
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,680
You have to learn to rest
more in yourself,

785
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,960
so that makes it easier
always to be on the road.

786
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,120
But it is a lifestyle.
You can learn it.

787
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Hannah was the toughest
person I knew.

788
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,120
She was, as Ole said,
all-weather.

789
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
The power of her mind
was so strong--

790
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,840
at high passes in Tibet,
on an Indian train,

791
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,600
on buses for two days nonstop
without food in Russia.

792
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,240
She just went on and on.

793
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,800
She was fearless.

794
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,360
[Ole] Well, South America
was quite a story.

795
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,280
Death could hit any moment.

796
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,400
It was really violent.
Very, very dangerous.

797
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,480
[man, in Spanish]

798
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,600
[Tomek] We were in Colombia
in the most dangerous time,

799
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,360
about 1991.

800
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,120
You know, Ole decided
that we'll go overland.

801
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,400
Because why?
We were going to Venezuela.

802
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Because flying was $200,
overland was $20.

803
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,280
In the early morning
near Bucaramanga,

804
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,440
which is right on the border
to Venezuelan side,

805
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,240
we were dozing in the bus.

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,440
About 100 yards ahead,
there was a girl

807
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,000
in a white T-shirt
and camouflage trousers,

808
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,640
and a tree fallen
across the road.

809
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,320
And I thought to myself,
well, this is not the army.

810
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,600
[people screaming, sobbing]

811
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,760
There was panic, shouting.

812
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,400
And the kidnappers
were very young--

813
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,640
teenagers-- and shaking.

814
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,160
They were so afraid--
or nervous.
Not afraid, but nervous.

815
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,000
The only difference is that
they had the machine guns.

816
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,280
And the passengers were
crossing themselves
and saying,

817
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,000
[speaking Spanish]

818
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,760
"They will kill
the gringos."

819
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,800
And you start looking
where are the gringos here.

820
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,560
And it turned out it's you.

821
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,880
"Gringos" meaning
"foreigners" there.

822
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,480
They march us to a village.

823
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,720
And there, their leader
started a speech.

824
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,960
And I remember like today
the first sentence
of that speech.

825
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,880
He was saying in Spanish--
[speaking Spanish]

826
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840
"I'm not
the Prince of Death,

827
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
but if I have to kill,
I will kill."

828
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,480
And then Hannah asked,
"What is he saying?"

829
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160
And somehow I couldn't
deliver the whole news.

830
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,640
I just said to Hannah, "Well,
he says he's not a prince."

831
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,520
[Ole] And then he said,
"If I find anybody
in connection with"--

832
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,680
All the guys we had
in our address book,
right?

833
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,200
"...I will kill."

834
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,360
[speaking Spanish]

835
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Three, four times
there was somebody
who came to the commandant

836
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,520
and said, "We have gringos."
Right?

837
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,600
He looked over,
he looked around,

838
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,760
he looked to the side,
he looked somewhere else.

839
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,760
And he couldn't see us.
Several times, you know.

840
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480
[Tomek] We are there
for about five hours.

841
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,040
I was sitting on Ole's left.
Hannah was sitting
on Ole's right.

842
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,440
And Hannah, in those
most difficult moments,

843
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,200
she sit down
and started meditating.

844
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,760
It wasn't like a meditation
that I want to close myself

845
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,760
because reality
is so unpleasant.

846
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,720
It was-- She was shining.

847
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,040
She was completely fearless.

848
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,360
Then right at that time,
they called and said,

849
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
"We need you somewhere else."
Something like that.

850
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,200
He got a message.
He called the people together.

851
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,440
You know, forgot us again.
and then he said,

852
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,320
"If any of you show
your faces here again"--
You know?

853
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
"...then we'll kill you."
Right?

854
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Then they moved away.

855
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,960
We sort of walked
a little bit low

856
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,160
because we're also bigger
than the locals, right?

857
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,000
So a little bit low
so we wouldn't be
so conspicuous.

858
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,920
The next day, we flew.
We didn't take
the bus again.

859
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,280
[Tomek] Why did we end up
in those dangerous places?

860
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,000
We were not doing
adrenaline tourism.

861
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,440
You know, people go
to dangerous places
and get a kick out of it.

862
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,720
No, Hannah and Ole
were going there
simply to, you know--

863
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,800
to bring-- to bring the dharma
for those who were open to it.

864
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,320
Otherwise, they wouldn't--
Maybe that was the only
chance in this life

865
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,800
that they could get it.

866
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,200
There is a little bit
of this macho culture.

867
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,400
I think you have
heard about that.
[chuckling]

868
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,040
In general, a woman has
more value if she has a man.

869
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:13,920
[chuckles]

870
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,720
But when I saw her,

871
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,120
I mean, I saw
a very shining woman,

872
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,240
a very happy woman,

873
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,640
a very independent woman.

874
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,880
To be honest, I was not
seeing this before.

875
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,640
To see a woman so happy,
so independent,

876
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,640
this I liked very much.

877
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Who has-- Who has what?

878
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,120
[in English]

879
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,200
-Well, I mean--
-[both laughing]

880
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,560
It's quite obvious,
isn't it?

881
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,000
[laughter]

882
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,760
[speaking Spanish,
indistinct]

883
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,320
But we supplement
each other very well.

884
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,880
That's why we can learn
from each other.

885
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,280
[woman] Ole was always
saying to the public,

886
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,360
"Oh, this is my wonderful wife."

887
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,040
He was always showing
how they loved each other.

888
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,760
[Ole, in German]

889
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,400
[Dilia] And to see a woman
so independent

890
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,800
and at the same time
such a well-functioning couple

891
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,720
was very, very impressive.

892
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,560
[Hannah] You know,
in Buddhism,

893
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,800
there is not that distinction
between man and woman

894
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,560
in connection with practice.

895
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,840
As you know, Buddha
taught that all beings

896
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,520
have the potential
of enlightenment.

897
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,360
[woman] She could be sweet,
she could be calm,

898
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,240
but she was not weak
at all.

899
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,240
She was always both-and,
not either-or.

900
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,320
She was hardworking,
she was strong,

901
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,640
and she was totally sweet,
soft, inspiring, feminine.

902
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,440
And people were
so touched by that.

903
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,440
Because in that way, she
was such a great example.

904
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,800
She opened new horizons
for these ladies.

905
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,280
Because she said, "Oh, I don't
have to be like a man.

906
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,080
I can be a woman,
I can be totally feminine,

907
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,000
but I can find
my own inner strength."

908
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,960
[Tomek] We were in Mexico City,
and they were phoning us
from San Francisco.

909
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,280
Ole would stop his lecture,
and they came to the phone.

910
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,720
And they had the receiver
in between their heads,
Hannah and Ole.

911
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,160
And then at one point,
Hannah started saying,

912
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,000
"No, not him, not him.
Please, not him."

913
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,160
And what happened,
Jamgon Rinpoche
died in a car crash.

914
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,280
[Ole] At that time,
they said that Shamarpa
put a bomb in the car,

915
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,440
and that was how it blew up
and stuff like that.

916
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,480
I said, "What?"

917
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,760
[narrator] Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche

918
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,080
was a key figure in the Kagyu lineage,

919
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,120
and one of the four regents entrusted to find the new reincarnated Karmapa.

920
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,560
[Tomek] When the 16th Karmapa
died in November 1981,

921
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,280
you know,
they lost everything.

922
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,760
But in the interim period
when one Karmapa dies,

923
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,240
before the other Karmapa--
the next Karmapa-- manifest,

924
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,360
it becomes
increasingly important

925
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,480
that that transmission
doesn't disappear.

926
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,840
Since the 15th Karmapa
left a letter

927
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,200
with the details
of his next rebirth,

928
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,440
the general belief
was that the 16th
also left such a letter.

929
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,520
After the death of Karmapa,
the lamas got together

930
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,800
in Rumtek, in his seat
outside India,

931
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,520
and they decided
that, actually, four
of his closest disciples

932
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,080
will be in charge of finding
the next incarnation.

933
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,600
And those were,
first and foremost,
Shamar Rinpoche.

934
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,440
The second in that hierarchy
was Situ Rinpoche.

935
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,400
The third one
was Jamgon Rinpoche.

936
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,960
And the fourth--
Gyaltsab Rinpoche.

937
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,240
And there they formed
a joint committee.

938
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,840
It was a novelty.

939
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,360
It has never
been done so in Tibet,

940
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,280
but, okay, the times
were different.

941
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,320
[Hannah] A lot of people
were pressuring the Rinpoches.

942
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,600
All time, they said,
"Please, you must-- Now.

943
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,000
We cannot wait any longer.
You must find him now."

944
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,280
Nothing came out
of the Rinpoches.

945
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,760
And '82, '83, '84,
'85-- nothing.

946
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,240
We didn't hear anything,

947
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,200
and this speculation
grew more and more.

948
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,240
There was a tremendous pressure
on the four Rinpoches

949
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,160
to come with results very fast.

950
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,160
We're already talking '92.

951
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,080
It's already 11 years
since the Karmapa had died,
and nothing.

952
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,680
All of a sudden,
Situ Rinpoche
called a meeting.

953
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,480
And he noticed--
Sometime in 1990,

954
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,040
he noticed that
he was carrying here,
like, a protector

955
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,880
that the 16th Karmapa
had given him

956
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,840
back in the '70s
in Calcutta.

957
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,720
Then when he opened it,

958
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,600
instead of regular prayer,
what was there?

959
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,480
That prediction letter.

960
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,400
He just noticed that he had
been going, you know--

961
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,080
The future of the Kagyu lineage
dangling around his neck

962
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,480
all these years
without knowing it.

963
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,000
And he waited two years,
for whatever reason,

964
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,120
to inform
his other Rinpoches.

965
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,360
And Gyaltsab Rinpoche
accepted the results.

966
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,360
Shamar Rinpoche
had his doubts.

967
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,000
And they decided
that Jamgon Rinpoche
will travel to Tibet

968
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,080
in order to contact the child
and make the first contact.

969
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,480
[engine revving]

970
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,000
He got a present from
the king of Bhutan--

971
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,640
a brand new white BMW 525,
a rocket on wheels.

972
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,880
Rinpoche, of course,
wanted to be part
of the modern world,

973
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,960
and he was learning
how to drive.

974
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,520
He decided to take
that car to Tibet

975
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,280
when looking
for that child.

976
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,240
Not far away from Rumtek,
he swerved the car

977
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,160
and hit head-on--
collision with a tree.

978
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,560
And Rinpoche and three others
died instantly.

979
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,240
[Hannah] You know,
apart from the shock--

980
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,000
it is not right to accuse...

981
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,560
the head of the lineage

982
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:03,280
of murdering
the next in the lineage

983
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:10,000
and all these
totally crazy things
that I was eye-witnessing.

984
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,920
It was a complete
absurd accusation.

985
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,400
I read the letters myself
where they say

986
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,040
that Shamar Rinpoche sneaked
under the cover of the night

987
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,840
and poured sugar
in the tank of the BMW,

988
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,480
and, as a result of which,

989
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,280
the car accelerated
to 160 kilometers per hour

990
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,720
and the engine catapulted itself
from the body of the car.

991
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,520
Here, in those years,
it became clear

992
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,480
that the division was
actually becoming a split...

993
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,600
within the four Rinpoches.

994
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,120
[horns blowing]

995
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,640
[narrator] Despite Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche's death,

996
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,520
accusations of murder

997
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,800
and doubts about the authenticity of the prediction letter,

998
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,320
news came that the 17th Karmapa had been recognized in Tibet.

999
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440
This 17th Karmapa--
in a convoy--

1000
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,040
in an official convoy escorted
by the Chinese authorities

1001
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:10,720
appears in Tsurphu, the seat
of the 16th Karmapa, in Tibet.

1002
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,320
A thing that would
have taken weeks,
if not months,

1003
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,080
took only a matter of days.

1004
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,520
And the Communist Chinese
authorities

1005
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,560
were very much part of it--

1006
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,400
Communist Chinese
who only 40 years earlier

1007
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,080
completely destroyed Tibet

1008
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,400
and waged a war
against Buddhism.

1009
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,880
[in Chinese]

1010
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,320
[Hannah] Karmapa would
emphasize the importance

1011
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,600
of not mixing the activity
with politics.

1012
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,560
That was one of the things
he told us so much,

1013
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,600
so much that we didn't know
what he was talking about.

1014
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Because we didn't know
what he meant with "politics."

1015
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,760
[Ole] We were a bit
disturbed, both of us.

1016
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,200
What we said was,
"Check it out.

1017
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,720
Take your time.

1018
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Check who is behind it,
who is pulling the strings."

1019
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
The situation in this region,

1020
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,040
in the Himalayas,
is very explosive.

1021
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,720
It's not settled.

1022
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,640
You have India on the one side
of the Himalaya,

1023
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,120
and you have China
on the other side.

1024
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,160
And something that the people
don't know very well

1025
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,800
is that, in 1962,
there was a war
between India and China.

1026
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,680
China took over
a lot of territories
in the west of India--

1027
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,240
Northern Pakistan
and Kashmir nowadays.

1028
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,560
So, the one
who has the power in Rumtek

1029
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,600
to some extent
has the religious power
over a lot of people,

1030
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,800
a lot of followers in Sikkim.

1031
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,080
And if this very person

1032
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,640
is favorable to the Indian
interests, it is one thing.

1033
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,080
If this person is favorable
to the Chinese interests,
it is another thing.

1034
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,800
[Tomek] The agenda
of the Communist Chinese

1035
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,760
is to control Tibet.

1036
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,320
And they decided the best way
to control Tibet

1037
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,640
is by controlling the lamas.

1038
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,160
They couldn't
control Dalai Lama.
He was outside Tibet.

1039
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,480
So they shifted their focus
on Karmapa.

1040
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,160
It's very important
to say that the system--

1041
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,640
the medieval system in Tibet--
it was basically flawed.

1042
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,800
Finding a lama here

1043
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,400
meaning gaining incredible
not only religious

1044
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,520
but also political power.

1045
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Very often the spiritual
arguments were left--

1046
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,560
put aside in favor
of the political arguments.

1047
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,240
Powerful families,
powerful factions,

1048
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,680
were constantly fighting
to have the incarnation
of a certain lama

1049
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,320
within their family.

1050
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,000
Hannah and Ole felt
that they owed the truth
to their students.

1051
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,080
They would not make sacrifices,
for the sake of the truth.

1052
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,520
[Hannah] If you have
to make a choice--

1053
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,360
[chattering]

1054
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,280
I don't know,
I'm quite pragmatic

1055
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,840
on that scale,
at that level.

1056
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,640
You know, just what is there,
what's happening,
who is doing what.

1057
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,800
And then conclude from that.
I think that's healthy.

1058
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,600
And inform oneself, yeah?

1059
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:27,080
There is absolutely no reason
to be against this boy.

1060
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,640
He didn't do anything wrong.

1061
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,080
It's not his fault.

1062
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,120
You also have to see
the background

1063
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,000
of the people who follow that.

1064
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,960
Like the whole Tibetan history

1065
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,080
which made the Tibetans
follow here and there.

1066
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,160
It goes back hundreds of years.

1067
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,680
[narrator] The decision that Ogyen Trinley Dorje was the reincarnated Karmapa

1068
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,800
left a division between Gyaltsab Rinpoche

1069
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,640
and Situ Rinpoche on the one side

1070
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,480
and Shamar Rinpoche on the other.

1071
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,040
We knew that Gyaltsab Rinpoche
was the best the teacher we had.

1072
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,840
You know, he was a bit--
ta-ta-ta-ta.

1073
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,480
He could teach on--
Incredibly, right?

1074
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,400
But also,
he hadn't really grown up.

1075
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,680
Then we had
Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche,
who had now died.

1076
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,080
We also knew Situpa,
and he had apparently
made a character change

1077
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,520
in a not so pleasant
direction.

1078
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Then there was Shamarpa.

1079
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,720
And Shamarpa was,
you know, nobility.

1080
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,840
But at the same time,
he is honest.

1081
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Hannah and I always
said to each other,
"This is a decisive moment.

1082
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,560
This is where we have to decide
what we want to do, right?"

1083
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,560
[birds screeching]

1084
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,320
[in English]

1085
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,800
[narrator] In 1993, these tensions erupted into violence

1086
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,280
in Rumtek Monastery, Karmapa's seat outside of Tibet.

1087
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,760
Monks and lamas were forced to agree to Situ Rinpoche

1088
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,480
and Gyaltsab Rinpoche's choice of Karmapa

1089
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,880
or face the consequences.

1090
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,560
The 16th Karmapa
genuine monks

1091
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,720
were chased
out of Rumtek Monastery.

1092
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,160
Some were thrown to jail,
some were beaten up.

1093
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,760
And they have to--
Some, they had to run
for their lives.

1094
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,760
[gunfire]

1095
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,920
[in English]

1096
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:36,240
[Tomek] Shamar Rinpoche
was left very much alone,

1097
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,400
but he had just a few people
whom, in the new situation,
he could fully trust.

1098
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,200
And, first of all, that was
Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche--

1099
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,680
Hannah and Ole's
first teacher.

1100
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,280
Secondly, Topga Rinpoche.
He trusted him,

1101
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,200
the general secretary
of Rumtek.

1102
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,680
And finally Hannah.

1103
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,320
There was a lot of bad style
in the East and West,

1104
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,120
accusing each other

1105
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,120
and slinging mud
at different lamas.

1106
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,360
It was a very difficult
situation

1107
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,560
for most of the Tibetan
Rinpoches,

1108
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,520
because a lot of them
had monasteries in Tibet,

1109
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,720
because they came from Tibet.

1110
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,600
They had relatives there,
they had students there,

1111
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,800
so they were really caught.

1112
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:28,120
All of a sudden,
90% of the lamas
went to the Chinese side.

1113
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,360
Yeah? I mean, of course,
in some cases,

1114
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,720
it was somehow
understandable

1115
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,240
because they had
monasteries in Tibet.

1116
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,760
Or imagine the ears
of your grandmother
will be cut off

1117
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,440
if you are not
signing a paper.

1118
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,440
You would do it, right?

1119
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,360
So they were not
in the position

1120
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,280
to politically resist
and stand up.

1121
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,080
But we in the West,
we could.

1122
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:55,080
[chattering in English]

1123
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,720
[Ole] What Hannah didn't like,
was, right from the beginning,

1124
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,080
the people around
Gyaltsab Rinpoche,

1125
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,240
tried to turn her
against Shamarpa.

1126
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,080
She said,
"I will not hear that."

1127
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,280
Hannah is a strong lady,
and she heard enough, right.

1128
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,840
We had just to be honest,

1129
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,720
and it was clear
that the continuation
of Karmapa's work

1130
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,640
and everything
went through Shamarpa.

1131
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,440
There was no doubt
about it, you know,

1132
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,480
that he was the one to trust
and the one that Karmapa
also trusted.

1133
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Towards the end of 1993,

1134
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,200
we begin to hear
that Shamar Rinpoche
got some information.

1135
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,360
A person of great confidence
of the 16th Karmapa
approached him

1136
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,240
with direct instructions
from the 16th Karmapa

1137
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760
concerning
the next incarnation.

1138
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,200
And on the basis
of those instructions,

1139
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,200
it all pointed to a certain boy
in Tibet, in Lhasa.

1140
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,400
The father of that boy
was a very well-known
Nyingma lama.

1141
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,920
The house was an open house.

1142
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,760
People were coming
for consultations
with that lama.

1143
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,960
[man] I was born
in Tibet, in Lhasa,

1144
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,680
the capital of Tibet
at the time.

1145
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,640
What I remember is that,
the moment when I was
able to talk,

1146
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,720
you know, after I was born,

1147
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,040
um, I had-- I believe
I had told a few others,

1148
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,320
as well as my mother,
who was there
most of the time,

1149
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,480
and the Karmapa and so on.

1150
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,640
My father being a Rinpoche,

1151
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,360
he thought that it was
his responsibility

1152
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,040
to make sure that,
if this is it,

1153
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,560
then we must be prepared.

1154
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,760
Because it's not a simple
life that you live.

1155
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,960
For eight years
of living in Lhasa--

1156
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,640
the time I mostly spent
indoors, actually--

1157
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,040
there would be
daily practice,

1158
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,120
daily rituals of reading,
writing, memorizing.

1159
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,760
We constantly focused
on the dharma.

1160
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:59,040
So therefore, there wasn't many,
let's say, coloring, painting,

1161
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,320
buying toys, ice cream.

1162
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,480
This very, very different
environment, yes.

1163
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,400
[Tomek] There was
too much commotion,

1164
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,520
too much movement
around the house,
around this family.

1165
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,080
And the Chinese police,
of course, noticed.

1166
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,320
They had informants
everywhere.

1167
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,280
And they came,
they approached the family,

1168
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,720
and they told them, "You have
a very gifted son here.

1169
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,120
We want to take him.
We want to give him
special education in China.

1170
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,200
He will go with us."

1171
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,520
So the whole family
was about to be shipped
somewhere in China

1172
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,680
for educating
this gifted boy.

1173
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,880
They of course--
They didn't know exactly

1174
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,960
that he was
a candidate for--

1175
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,600
another candidate
for the Karmapa.

1176
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,040
They had the Karmapa
in Tsurphu.

1177
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,280
As far as the Chinese
were concerned,
they had the right one.

1178
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
They had what they needed.

1179
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,320
They definitely
didn't need a contender.

1180
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,520
It was incredibly dangerous.
It was matter of--

1181
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,680
of highest importance
that he be smuggled

1182
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,000
or taken out of Tibet secretly
as soon as possible.

1183
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,960
[narrator] Convinced that this boy was the reincarnated Karmapa,

1184
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,040
Hannah devised a plan with Shamarpa

1185
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,120
to ensure that he could be brought to safety.

1186
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,720
[Karmapa Thaye Dorje]
My father was hospitalized,

1187
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,600
and my mother had
to take care of him
all the time.

1188
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,720
And on top of it,
this news that,
you know,

1189
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,920
that their son
has to be taken away.

1190
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,480
They asked me,
"Do you want to do this?"

1191
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,040
I thought, "Why not?"

1192
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,360
"Let's try," I thought.
So we went.

1193
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,200
[narrator] In 1993, Hannah and Shamarpa

1194
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,720
smuggled the boy and his family out of Tibet

1195
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,600
and brought them to India.

1196
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,560
[Shamarpa]
The whole airport was
busy, busy, busy, busy.

1197
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,040
He was the one-- As if
the time has stopped.

1198
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,880
Either like they were
all moving too fast

1199
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,560
or he was moving too slow,
I don't know what.

1200
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,040
He was coming towards me
very casually.

1201
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,520
And when he came to me,
he came with a big smile.

1202
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,560
And he touched my forehead.
He said, "How are you?

1203
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,480
So good to meet you
finally," he said.

1204
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,520
And a tall, white lady came.

1205
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,360
She was very gentle
and very sweet in her tone.

1206
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,400
[speaking German]

1207
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,080
[narrator] On the 17th of March, 1994,

1208
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,280
Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje was enthroned

1209
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,440
at the Karmapa International Buddhist Institute in New Delhi,

1210
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:59,160
the place that was to become his seat outside of Tibet.

1211
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,800
When the 17th Karmapa
was announced in 1994,

1212
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,440
we all rushed to India.

1213
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,720
I remember I was--

1214
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,760
It was a call
that whoever could come

1215
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,840
should come
to KIBI institute.

1216
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,880
[woman] The Karmapa Institute
was a wish of the 16th Karmapa.

1217
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,800
He arranged everything.

1218
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,240
He wanted that this
should be a meeting point
for the East and the West.

1219
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,120
[horns blowing]

1220
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:32,160
[Hannah] In KIBI, where
he was the first time
put on the throne,

1221
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,760
and that was very wonderful
experience, you know.

1222
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,280
On purpose, they had been
no, like, training before.

1223
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,400
And the way
he sat on the throne,

1224
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:52,440
the way he put on his own crown
for the first time,

1225
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,320
was very, very impressive.

1226
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,320
It felt so right.

1227
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,560
The presentation in KIBI,
or ceremony--

1228
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,200
But you had the information
that something will happen.

1229
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,880
I was just there at a nice
welcome ceremony.

1230
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,640
I was very happy.

1231
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,120
I was standing in the last row,
standing at the window,
you know.

1232
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,960
And then almost
at the end of ceremony,
some buses arrived.

1233
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,720
And I was looking out
of the window,

1234
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,680
and I felt,
"Oh, poor pity them.

1235
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,880
They are late
for the ceremony.

1236
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,320
They missed it."
You know?

1237
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,520
Then I thought,
"Oh, this is weird."

1238
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:41,080
They start shouting,
holding signs.
Angry faces.

1239
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,840
And I thought,
"What's going on here?"

1240
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,760
[loud commotion]

1241
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,120
[crowd shouting outside]

1242
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,760
[Shamar Rinpoche, in English]

1243
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,840
[Michaela] Hannah,
you know, she stood up,

1244
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,600
and she was
like the general.

1245
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,080
The position of her body
very clear, you know.

1246
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,960
She said, "Men out."

1247
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,320
The men went out,
took broomsticks
but not for hitting.

1248
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,520
But taking the broomsticks
with two hands
to push people back.

1249
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,560
They were just defending.
Very good style.

1250
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,480
For a split second, you know,
I met the eyes of Karmapa.

1251
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,440
So we were looking
in each other's eyes
for just a split second.

1252
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,160
And I became totally calm,

1253
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,280
and I knew everything's
going to be all right.

1254
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,040
[Hannah] He was just 11 years,

1255
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,760
but, in that moment
and in that situation,

1256
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,800
he could have been
a hundred years, you know.

1257
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,840
[narrator] The enthroning of Thaye Dorje in Delhi

1258
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,240
meant that there was now a Karmapa supported by Shamar Rinpoche and India

1259
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,480
and a Karmapa supported by Situ Rinpoche,

1260
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,840
Gyaltsab Rinpoche and the Chinese.

1261
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,160
[Hannah] Ole and I
saw everything
very, very pure here.

1262
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,320
We thought everybody
would be at a high level

1263
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,440
among the lamas,
among the Rinpoches.

1264
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,400
And, of course, they are not.

1265
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:21,800
And we had helped
in giving that image,

1266
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,640
so then, when that cracked,

1267
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,400
we felt very responsible

1268
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:31,840
for preserving this trust
in the dharma itself

1269
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,200
so that
that would not disappear.

1270
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,680
Because there was mistakes
happening at other levels.

1271
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,880
[Tomek] Hannah was there
to ensure--

1272
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,520
And this was directly
Karmapa's wish, I'm sure--

1273
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,800
to ensure that the transmission
that they were bringing
to the West

1274
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,680
arrives in its totality.

1275
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,200
[Karmapa Thaye Dorje]
It's never an easy task.

1276
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,680
You need a lot of energy.
You need a lot of patience.

1277
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,160
If you look
at the timetable

1278
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,120
and how much sleep
that they get

1279
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,720
and how much traveling
that they do,

1280
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,120
it's really a record,
one could say,

1281
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,080
in terms of what the body
and what the mind can do.

1282
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,880
[Shamar Rinpoche] She phoned me
from Bangkok, I think Bangkok.

1283
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,720
She told me that
they are going to Australia.

1284
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,880
And after Australia,
they will fly to New Delhi

1285
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,760
and then go to Kalimpong

1286
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,600
and meet His Holiness Karmapa
and quickly come back
to New Delhi

1287
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,640
and fly to Mexico.

1288
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,640
All the way from New Delhi
to Mexico.

1289
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,960
[sighs]

1290
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,040
And, then she told me,
in Mexico,

1291
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,200
she will spend only one
or two nights, something,

1292
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,320
and fly to Moscow.

1293
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,760
And in Moscow, again,
only two or something,
two nights only,

1294
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,040
fly back to Mexico.

1295
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,320
And in Mexico, also about
only one night or two nights

1296
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:01,120
and fly-- going to fly
to Hungary, she said.

1297
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,560
Then I told her,
"Quite crazy you are."

1298
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,600
[Hannah] I can control my mind
better than my body.

1299
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,560
[laughing]

1300
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,960
Things happen all the time,

1301
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,800
and as long as, also,
you know--

1302
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,680
both physically and mentally
when you are in the world, yeah?

1303
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,560
But through meditation,

1304
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,480
you learn to relate
to what happens
in a different way.

1305
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,360
You cannot just change
what happens,

1306
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,520
but you can change
how to relate to that.

1307
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,480
[Tomek] When we came back
to Europe in the summer,

1308
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,200
Hannah, she was
constantly coughing.

1309
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,480
And then she decided
to take a break in Denmark.

1310
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,480
She came to Copenhagen
for some checks.

1311
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,760
And, of course,

1312
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,440
in her perspective,
that was not serious.

1313
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,760
[man] Hannah as a person,

1314
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,160
she is normally not telling
much about any symptoms.

1315
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,600
She lost six kilos
in three months.

1316
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,600
Karmapa came for a visit,

1317
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,200
and it was
an unexpected visit.

1318
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,080
He drove 2,500 kilometers
from Spain nonstop

1319
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,480
to see only Hannah
for a few days.

1320
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,280
[Karmapa Thaye Dorje]
I was trying to really
pump her up in a way,

1321
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,680
to give a lot of courage
that she--

1322
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,080
to offer as much
optimism as possible.

1323
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,160
[Tomek] And then,
all of a sudden,
she said with a smile--

1324
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,040
completely
without any change.

1325
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,440
She told me, "Tomek,
I'm ready for everything."

1326
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,680
And I-- In that moment,
I thought,

1327
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,440
"Oh, how dramatic."
You know?

1328
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,160
She looked so good
and everything.
Why such a drama?

1329
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,040
And I completely didn't even
want to hear it.

1330
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,000
I immediately threw it
out of my-- of my mind.

1331
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,560
[Dr. Thoma]
For the New Year's, of course,
they came to Stuttgart.

1332
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,200
We got the results.

1333
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,280
I remember exactly
what they said--

1334
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:14,160
that Hannah had been diagnosed
with terminal cancer.

1335
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,960
It's the third opinion,
and this is it.

1336
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,080
And then they said maybe she
has only two weeks to live.

1337
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,200
And in that moment,
everybody had wet eyes,

1338
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,640
everybody except Hannah.

1339
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,120
She only asked for one thing.
She asked Ole to take a walk.

1340
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,560
[Ole] There was nothing--
no fear, no anything--

1341
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,280
just really that she found out
she was leaving now.

1342
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,880
No, there was no drama.

1343
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,480
She was just--
told me that,

1344
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,640
and I probably had
the strongest reaction.

1345
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,160
[Hannah] In Buddhism,
the whole awareness

1346
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,680
about the impermanence
of everything
is extremely helpful.

1347
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,640
Death, it's something
either taboo

1348
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,280
or something
we're afraid of and--

1349
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,000
It's not something
one needs to be afraid of.

1350
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,760
But one should just
get used to that.

1351
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,680
That is how it is.

1352
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,760
Then it's not so painful.

1353
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,640
[audience cheering]

1354
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,720
[Dr. Thoma] We went
on New Year's Eve,
around midnight,

1355
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,200
to the hall.

1356
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,080
She went onstage.

1357
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,360
She said-- I'm not
have the same words,

1358
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,440
but, like, "Sorry.

1359
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,120
I have to say good-bye."

1360
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,120
I like to thank everybody.

1361
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:42,200
I've been on a cloud
of good wishes
from everybody,

1362
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,960
and I could feel that.

1363
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,520
And I'm sure
it's already working.

1364
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,000
I feel already
much, much better.

1365
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,560
-So thank you.
-[audience cheering]

1366
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,400
[woman] For her to come home
to Copenhagen,

1367
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:02,440
it was essential, because
everyone would be there.

1368
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,000
[no audible dialogue]

1369
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,520
[Tomek] People flew
from Australia,

1370
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,720
from Argentina,
from Mexico, from Russia.

1371
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,560
I was every day making
the trips to the airport.

1372
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,160
During that time,
you know,

1373
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,080
what was so touching
is to see those two.

1374
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,160
And Hannah was holding Ole,
you know, and cradling his head.

1375
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,560
You know?
And it was just so sweet.

1376
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,200
You could see how deep
a relationship can go

1377
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:34,280
when there is
a beyond personal task
that unites you.

1378
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,760
[woman] I've never seen
any woman loving a man

1379
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,240
as much as Hannah loved Ole.

1380
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,520
It was--
It was something special.

1381
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,480
She really loved him so much.

1382
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,600
It was a complete team.

1383
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,560
Energywise,
it was really complete.

1384
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,280
I came in to visit her
as often as I could.

1385
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,720
And I felt all the time

1386
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,160
how the people around her
just loved her.

1387
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,160
That made me good.

1388
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,360
She has very good experience
of meditation.

1389
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,240
Therefore, I understood that,
while she was dying,

1390
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,440
she didn't have
any suffering mentally.

1391
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:34,800
She could implement
all the dharma teachings.

1392
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,440
She could hardly speak
in the end.

1393
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:41,720
And, of course, she was speaking
in Danish when she could,

1394
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,160
and she was giving teachings.

1395
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,000
I remember one thing
she said was, you know,

1396
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,360
"What really carries you
through everything,
this is compassion."

1397
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,040
[Dr. Thoma] Her breathing
went down to zero.

1398
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,520
She was clinically dead,
and she came back 15 times.

1399
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,640
If you have a break
of two minutes
of nonbreathing

1400
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,800
and not any heartbeat,

1401
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,160
maybe you have the chance
to come back once
or two times.

1402
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,960
Maybe three times.

1403
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,360
But you will not make it
15 times.

1404
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,720
It was...

1405
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,480
one of the impressive things
I have seen as a doctor.

1406
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:35,280
And then, in the end,
Ole said, "Hannah, now you go.

1407
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,520
You cannot
use this body anymore.
Now you have to go."

1408
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,960
And then we started
to sing "Emaho,"

1409
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,360
and then she left
and she didn't come back.

1410
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,640
[Hannah] When your teacher dies,
it's a kind of--

1411
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,800
It's a mixture.
At a normal human level,

1412
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,480
of course you are sad
and you miss him.

1413
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,880
And it's-- You know,
you cannot avoid that.

1414
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,280
At the same time,
in the middle
of all the sadness,

1415
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,440
then there was
this enormous blessing,

1416
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,360
which was just
beyond everything.

1417
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:24,480
And which also confirms
your nature,

1418
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,720
which is there are-- no matter
if you have a body or not--

1419
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,680
these qualities,
they continue and they go on.

1420
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,800
And if you connect with that,

1421
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,600
that will always stay with you.

1422
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,720
The totality cannot die.

1423
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Whatever we've done,
thought and said
will continue.

1424
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,080
Whatever we do.
So you can say
we continue.

1425
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,200
Nobody really gets lost.

1426
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,200
That's probably
the most impressive
feeling of it all,

1427
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,000
that she never really left.

1428
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:00,000
She was still there.
She smiled.
It's a good feeling.

1429
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,520
It's something meaningful.
And I still think
she's there today.

1430
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,080
Smiles at me
through the faces
of many women, right?

1431
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,040
Her knowledge comes in
when I hear things,
and suddenly I think,

1432
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,920
"Oh, but Hannah
used to say that.

1433
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,040
That's what she meant."
And so on.

1434
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,800
Nobody really leaves.

1435
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:21,640
She was a really
big example for me,

1436
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,080
the way she could
live her life...

1437
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,280
and be something for some--
for other people.

1438
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,400
Not just talking about it,
but doing things.

1439
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,720
[Tomek] In my eyes, she was
definitely beyond the personal.

1440
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,680
I've seen it so many times
in situations--

1441
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,760
in life-threatening
situations.

1442
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,200
In situations where she lost
everything she had.

1443
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,000
She had nothing left.

1444
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,000
And she didn't change
in those moments.

1445
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,200
She was a comfort to others.
She was like helping me.

1446
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:55,520
I was so shocked
and-- and, you know,
destroyed to pieces.

1447
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,280
In the end,
she got to put me up.
"Don't worry, don't worry."

1448
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:03,680
After Hannah's death,
when sometimes Ole
started to, uh,

1449
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,960
have tears in his eyes
onstage,

1450
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,280
or how he said that it is
like an amputation, yeah?

1451
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,640
Then, finally,
you could understand

1452
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,560
that, actually, they were
not really separate, never.

1453
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,280
[Tomek] And today,
the way I see it,

1454
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,120
I think, in a way,

1455
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,160
Ole acquires
more and more

1456
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,200
certain qualities
that Hannah manifested.

1457
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,320
[Karmapa Thaye Dorje]
I'm very grateful
to the both of them,

1458
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,080
and mostly
to Hannah particularly
for what she has done.

1459
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,200
Because of what
they started,

1460
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,680
they have connected
thousands of families.

1461
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,360
And the most precious
dharma.

1462
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,000
They've connected that--
you know, tied the knot.

1463
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,080
I think that's amazing.
Yeah.

1464
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,600
[Hannah] Since Buddhism
is about the mind,

1465
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,040
then the way it helps you--

1466
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,560
it helped me, and I guess
it helps other people also--

1467
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,480
is how to relate
to your own mind
and to other people.

1468
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,920
You get more space.

1469
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,280
You're not caught
by what is going on.

1470
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,880
You get more understanding
for what is happening
with other people,

1471
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,600
and it's very joyful.

1472
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:29,080
It was very clear
we'd been together
in former lives

1473
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,840
and we were together
this life again.

1474
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,960
It was completely simple.

1475
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,000
We saw that when we met
the first time in this life.

1476
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,800
I was ten years old.
She was five.

1477
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,640
Simply, I began to pull
bushes out of the ground

1478
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,960
and I made
like a cabin from.

1479
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,800
And then I wanted
to sit in there with her.

1480
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,840
And there was all--
The only thing,
just sitting down.

1481
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,360
Apparently,
there was some memory
of former meditation together.

1482
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,200
Just sitting with her
next to me in there,

1483
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,680
and we both felt that was
what had to be done.

1484
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,600
It's just very, very old--
very old connection, right?

1485
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,200
And from the moment we met,
it started happening.

1486
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,080
We went to the East.
We met-- All these things.

1487
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,440
Buddhism started, you know.
Everything started, right?

1488
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:16,400
So it was just--
It just clicked,
that connection.

1489
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,520
I'm interested in what happens
next life when we meet.